I love it when people do try to present the case *for* the EU. They deliver all the data required to rip their case to shreds...
UKIP have a new poster campaign out - the usual anti-UKIP suspects have repeated their usual old, stale, incorrect, anti-UKIP creed.
However one thing did draw my attention...
UKIP Poster:
Apparently the figures for this came from here:-
http://www.creatingourjobs.org/
Strapline:
Ok.. tell me more.
The Facts:
Ok... so UK has around 7.5million migrants (http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/364176/7-5-million-migrants-live-in-Britain) and half a million have created a total of 1.16 million jobs... so that around 6 million who are taking (or trying to take) jobs that were already here...
Case Studies:
I love it when people do try to present the case *for* the EU. They deliver all the data required to rip their case to shreds...
I also note that (on average) this half a million migrants have only created an average of two jobs - enough for themselves and a partner but no one else. I wonder how many of these micro businesses are like this one:-
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2532002/Big-Issue-seller-called-benefits-teacher-urging-families-follow-Britain.html
Making £100 a week selling The Big Issue and claiming £28,000 from UK taxpayers in benefits - yes she is very industrious, and doing well for herself (and those other Eastern Europeans she is training to emulate her) - but at a huge *cost* to the rest of the UK...
But remember - UKIP don't want to close UK borders - that is a LibLabCon straw man! - UKIP just want to control it! Let in the beneficial migrants!! Keep out the bad ones.
First published at: http://free-english-people.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/the-spoof-of-ukp-that-backfired.html
Paul Perrin wants to make the UK the best place on earth to live - starting with Brighton. To help bring this about he has been a UKIP candidate in national and local elections.
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@DuncanStott · 568 weeks ago
1. 7.5 million is the number of people who were born overseas. Many of these are UK nationals. The migrants under discussion here are non-UK nationals, of which there are 4,852,000 in the UK according to the ONS.
2. Those 1.16 million jobs in SMEs aren't all for immigrants; many of these jobs will have gone to Brits. Similarly, British entrepreneurs provide jobs for immigrants. However immigrant-founded SMEs provided 14% of all SME jobs. Immigrants create jobs at a greater rate than British nationals.
3. Those case studies are 4 out of 456,073 migrant entrepreneurs. You aren't extrapolate findings about all 456,073 based on 4 people. If you look at the actual report, 5 of the top 10 entrepreneurial nationalities are from the EU (Irish, German, Polish, French, Italian).
4. You say "because UK *cannot* control EU migration, UK is having to restrict migration from these countries!" Yesterday, Farage said he wanted to see net migration at no higher than 50,000 per year. Non-EU net migration is currently at around 150,000 per year. So non-EU migration would need to be even more heavily cut to hit Farage's target.
5. I wasn't really making a point about the EU. My agenda is to extend freedom of movement as far and as wide as possible. Just because I'm responding to UKIP nonsense doesn't mean I have to respond to that party's narrow frame of reference.
idltdvirtm 103p · 568 weeks ago
2. Half of these jobs are filled by the migrant entrepreneurs. If the others go to British citizens - it just means the other 4-6 million migrants are either taking 'british jobs' or claiming benefits...
3. I just highlighted that of the four entrepreneurs selected for case studies not one was European - coincidence? or something more behind it. only a 6% chance if it being 'random'...
4. Excluding a migrant who can contribute to allow in one that cant is clearly madness. Whatever the figures.
5. Yes, as you say, your poster isn't about the EU/UKIP so its all a bit bogus to have based it on a UKIP poster.
You said my post contained 'falsehoods'... but you haven't actually cited any...
It all stands. And the same flaw in your case has been noted elsewhre now - http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/04...